Truly Unfortunate

Two days back, at AMU, the girls of Abdullah Girl's Hostel had created altercations at night. By 11th September, local dailies had covered the news about the row but nothing was specifically mentioned. Here are some questions that confused most of us, all over the campus:

What were those altercations about?

Why the girls had created so much row?

Why the local dailies were not mentioning the reasons?

Why were readers kept in dark about all this?

After two days of confusion, Hindustan Times gave following little information:


This leaves us with more questions:

What are the security standards in AMU? Are we really safe?

Why was security not under strict vigilance around Girl's hostel (with an underlying fact that the hostel is not in the campus)?

Isn't there any internal assessment arrangement that could check the internal activities within the hostel?

Other girl hostels are no different. Do they have any proper security measures?

Are university officials, going to take any lessons from this incident? Are they presently working on it? Were they waiting for the protests and dharnas? Why is it that whenever an unfortunate event strikes, the university officials wake only after student's aggression? Why don't they take any measures for future?

Are university employees, accountable and trustable like before? If they are, then give me a solid reason for it.

Why not, any criminal case/FIR was launched immediately?why it took so long? Why were details kept under dark? Are the people, who were terminated, real culprits?

Where is the women's cell, that was instigated for women's right protection at AMU? Don't they have any role in this situation? Why they are not taking any measures for future security? Why don't they ever assess these things? Why don't they ever take precautions and check different aspects of women security at AMU?

Has V.C. given enough powers to women's cell for all this?

Unfortunately these questions will remain unanswered. We had a V.C. called Naseem Ahmad (alias Tughlaq alias bureaucratic moron), who not only destroyed the internities and image of university but also thwarted academic structure. Now we have V.C., who is not able to concentrate on basic university issues. The chap has time to visit Uzbekistan but he has not brought about any changes or reformation in the administrative structure. Moreover, he was elected to bring about drastic changes and reformations in academic structure of university but he has failed to address even basic situations of university like appointment of teachers at many departments and faculties, lack of infrastructure, lack of qualified teachers.

On the other hand, there are higher university officials (alias other bereaucratic morons) who are not only dictatorial in their approach but also they have failed to reckon the fact that an academic institution has different priorities, different governance and efficient decisions for proper working, unlike bereaucratic institutions.
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Last edited by BadBoyMax on Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:57 pm; edited 1 time in total

The topic is indeed very apt Maxie. It is indeed very very unfortunate.

At the end of the day the VC is the supreme commander of the university. The University runs as he want it to. Let's see teh example of Jamia. Leave aside the present VP all of them have been as you put it rightly 'Bureaucratic Morons'. But our present VP has indeed done wonders for the University on all fronts. Good Job indeed!

I would love to see some really strict action being taken as soon as possible, but the possibilty of that happening still seem to be bleak at least as far my views are concerned.
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This place is going nowhere................leave alone taking any actions against the culprits,the university has gone ahead rusticating the victim of such a ghastly act.....besides the administration prevented the girl from going public about the incident and the incident came to light only 2 days after it took place.
But who exactly can we blame when we ourselves treat such heinous crimes as routine affair??.....Let me tell you what happened a day after this incident went public.....university girls went from faculty to faculty garnering support to accompany them to the registrar's office,yet even after standing in front of the engineering faculty for about an hour,many of the classes still continued as if nothing had happened!Compare this with the fact that all classes are suspended even if there is a petty fight amongst students.What will be the impact of such absurd behaviour on university girls?No doubt,they do feel unprotected and uncared for by their almamater.
Leave alone this,even when I asked some of my fellow students to accompany us to the registrar's office,most of them quipped with the familiar,"Chhodo yaar,kya hoga jaane se!"Not only this,even some of the girl students seemed the least concerned about the whole affair.

Now,I have a question....why should we blame the administration when we ourselves are least concerned about what happens to our brothers and sisters??Shouldn't we try to inculcate some humanity in ourselves,atleast for the sake of being called humans??Think........lest you ain't a human.
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A lot to say...
@ Imran Asad
Its indeed a very good step to start this topic, no one among us dared to do so. Thanx Maxie. I agree with you about the inefficiency of the present V.C and his team. All of them should be sacked and efficient people should be given the charge. Imran n I definitely know the situation few years back better, since his father n my uncle were Deputy Proctors at that time.
The situation is out of control, the administration is mere a dumb spectator !!
But as far as Mr. Naseem Ahmad is concerned, he had played as a good V.C in situations worse than this one. According to me he did his best.

@ Kashif
Why do we have V.C n the administrative body if they are not balmed to at such an incidence. The University can be run smooth only if the Administration is efficient not with the Protest March we start AFTER an accident. U know that in AMU a peaceful march is impossible, and whenever there is a march some anti social elements burns the University property. Is it what we want? No. We want efficient administrators to run the university so that V do what we are here for, study.
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Well, there has been a long discussion on the topic already. Despite the fact that i haven't been in the university for as long as Max and Mohsin have and that i haven't been a part of any of the protests that have taken place, i would definitely like to put forth my point, as a girl student of AMU.

1) I don't see the point of students(boys or girls) destroying property in the name of protests. I completely disagree with Mohsin where he says that peaceful demonstrations are impossible in AMU. After the murder of Kausar Bhai(the unfortunate incident that happened a few months ago), the engineering students avoided the present consequences by sitting on a peaceful dharna. The anti-social elements wanted to create the present situation 6 months ago but the presence of mind of the engineering students prevented that. The girls should behave like they are supposed to. Beating up anyone and shouting ill words won't make them bolder and superior to boys. So, they better not resort to such acts!

2) The CBI enquiry that started after the last murder hasn't had any encouraging results(as far as i know). I have recently heard(from a credible source) that the former VC and a few other officials in office were corrupt and were involved in some scam regarding some property in the university. The CBI enquiry wasn't allowed to take place like it should have because that would expose all their wrong-doings. Here, i would like to mention that i have no personal grudge against anyone. This is information that i have got from someone else.

3) Everyone wants AMU to be in the news for all the wrong reasons. The administration is helpless as long as such anti-AMU forces are in action. I don't understand why everyone is busy blaming the new VC. He is being criticised for not speaking hindi properly(what else do you expect out of a south-indian??), for being too emotional and irrational(huh???) and for not being able to control the present sitaution. Naseem Ahmed had fled the scene like a coward. Give this man a chance, people. It isn't an easy task to be the VC of such a university! Terrifying him like this is no solution!

4) I personally feel that the university will be better off without a union. AMU has been in a terrible fix ever since the election of a union 2 years ago.

5) Girl students are safe in AMU. Take it from a girl! These are just issues taken up by the anti-AMU persons and their tool, the media who want to demean the university. Eve-teasing is commonplace wherever one goes. Acts such as the one committed now in Abdullah have taken place in other places as well and will continue to happen. I have heard that the attendant who has committed the crime has had a previous record of such crimes. I, personally, am unable to believe this.(Do correct me if i am wrong) Why would such a person still be recruited? Please don't think that i'm not against what happened. No one here can be as disgusted with this act as i am. But yes, i should say that rusticating the girl was definitely objectionable!

I might be wrong somewhere as i don't really have very strong knowledge about the past of the university. I would like the relatively older students to correct me wherever i am wrong. I would try to defend myself as far as possible
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Well,I am not an old student of AMU but I would certainly like to make some points:-
First of all,let's stop blaming the VC as Rooma said...Come on man,the person out there you are talking about is an extreme stranger to the environment out here and you go about burning his lodgings to terrify him!We need to give him time to take stock of the situation if we want him to do something creditable for us.Else we will end up tarnishing our image further and no one would dare take the mantle of being a VC in this volatile university.
Secondly.I agree that girls are really ,really safe here....actually they are much safer than most of the other universities....what I meant earlier was that anything at AMU is blown out of proportions,so we need to take care that nothing,absolutely nothing of the sort happens which allows the outer world to see us in a bad light.Take the example of DU...there are numerous such rape and eve-teasing cases there but nothing is made out of them in the manner it is made out in AMU.I am not,in any way,defending such heinous crimes but you got to understand that there are people out there who would go to any length to tarnish AMU's image...so we need to be extra-cautious about what all happens in our campus.
Furthermore,I strongly believe that whatever is happening out here....the murders of Sabit Ali,kausar bhai and now,Mzhar Naim are somehow related.It has got something to do with projecting AMU in a really bad light.....I do have strong reasons for believing in the same...what do you think??
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I truly support what Kashif has stated but I would like to add a point that to some extent there was a fault somewhere because all these incidents took place but no strong action was taken.In Kausar bhai's case we sat on a dharna and nothing happened but this time when something bad was done the three culprits have been arrested within a week.( I read this in an URDU newspaper yesterday,names and photographs were also given)
I think one of my seniors was right when he said " unche kaan tak baat pahunchane ke liye unchi aawaz karni padti hai ". But i do say that putting the VC lodge on fire was really bad..

I don't agree with you there,tariq....I think these people have been arrested only to project an image that something is being done into the matter...I don't think they are involved and I have reasons to believe so...
Firstly,all of you must have heard that the boy hails from such a poor family that the family members couldn't even afford coming to Aligarh to take away his body....then,how is it that he maintained a mobile phone which the supposed culprits tried to snatch.
Secondly,he was killed really brutally with hands cut and his head almost split in two..now the police say that when he resisted,the miscreants hit him on the head to escape.Can such a hit cause such serious wounds to leave him dead and why did the wounds appear so brutal.
I do think that there are a lot of anomalies between what is being said and what has been done...But,who knows??
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Well, it was hard for me to believe the news when i first heard it(I haven't read it, till now). These people, they just want us to believe that there's been some serious inquiry into the whole situation and must have fabricated the whole news report with that thing in mind. Even during the evacuation of our hostel, there had been a supposed warning to all girls that whosoever leaves any of their belongings in their respective rooms will be responsible for their loss as everything will be thrown out of the rooms during the CBI inquiry that was to follow after the process of evacuation. I doubt whether there's actually going to be such a CBI inquiry of a girls' hostel. We will get to know that only after we return to that place!
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Well,finally something is being done that should always be done in such situations but is never done.17 students of the university have been suspended on charges of burning the VC lodge,and destroying property at the staff club,DSW and the university canteen....and,our reverred secretary Mr.Sulaiman Muhammad Khan is among those 17 suspended.

Besides,the VC has also set up a committee to look into the matter and has announced that re-allotment of rooms will be done when the university re-opens....and students will not be allowed to keep motorcycles in hostels.Besides this,security will be provided at crucial points in the university and sensitive points will be monitored constantly by close-circuit cameras.
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@ Rooma
Were you present at the protest march in the case of murder of Kausar Bhai? No. Then how can you say that it was a success? Ask the students who were present there. We started SCARED n V walked SCARED and V wasnt even able to reach the destination of the March, V returned without completing it. And why? Because of the anti-social elements were already there waiting with Hockey sticks. You get it? This is the fact. And as U mite b knowing Kausar Bhai was a very good friend of Abrar Bhai and like a senior Bro to me. They, the students, most of them were happy that the exams were postponed, Should I write what the shit they were talking in that peaceful march... Fact is bitter. I am really angry to remembr all dat but I wont write much.

2. This V.C is a ____. He doesnt know at all how to handle the University. I dont care wheteher he speaks Hindi or Malayalam. But he wasnt able to protect his house and in retaliation ordered SINE DIE. So foolish. And who flew like a coward !! Are in your senses, do you know the fact or just want to enhance your writing skills in this post... Naseem Ahmad had resigned before these murders had taken place. He has learnt to control cities. He was an IAS, and we need an IAS as the VC, who can control the situtation. Got it? And Tell your some one to talk to this No one.

3. The girl are much safer here in AMU, not because of the Administration but because the boys here are not that MODERN as Delhites, they enjoy Tod-Phod than molesting girls.
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What are you guys doing and talking...

What happened, why happened, head split into two, Is it true?

I am really shocked to see Kashif with a stand like this. Tariq, I think these people can only talk but can never feel the pain of the burning AMU. Its not your fault guys.... Keep talking and try to solve the case right here at Radopod.
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Well I don't know much about the other stuff but when it comes to controlling a University, the VC has to be held accountable. It is pointless to say 'give him some time' or 'he is new'. It is rather obvious that a person occupying a post of this stature must be prepared for all problems and must even be experienced to handle situations like this. The VC is surely at fault here!
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If that is the case,do one thing....make me the VC,murder someone and burn my house...and after that hold me accountable for the entire incident!!Is that what you consider to be right...now you got to be out of your senses to be talking like that.Besides that,Mohsin,you said that you don't want to say all the shit the students were talking about during the dharna after Kausar bhai's murder....may I know what that was??I agree that some anti-social elements were at work the first day and we were not even able to reach where we set out for....but let me tell you,I was present on the scene of dharna for two days and all the meetings with the acting VC and senior boys took place there on the roads and nothing shit was said there...all that the protestants asked for was a CBI enquiry into the matter.Now,I don't think you would be knowing that...after all you were home by then!
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Yeah I was home by then cuz I couldnt see what Politics were taking place over there. Abrar Bhai was there and he was in deep touch with me. He was involved in the CBI enquiry. What are you talking? Staying there means that one knows what was actually going on?

And I can never take a stupid decision of making you as the VC, which the executive council has taken.

And the boys who were talking shit are no strangers to you infact you pass most of your time with them, I dont know why!!!
Better to forget all that and express yourself on this matter.
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